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Commenters have been calling the cover of Marvel's Heroes for Hire #13 "tentacle rape," using the term only slightly ironically. (And, really, accuse me of being dirty-minded or seeing something that's not there to support my position, but I don't care if it's technically "slime" on Black Cat's breasts; you are hopelessly naive if you don't see it for what it's meant to resemble.) I'm not going to use up any of our server space hosting the image, but you can go see it at the link above or where Heidi MacDonald (at The Beat), Elin Winkler (owner of Radio Comix), Lea Hernandez (comic book artist) and JK Parkin (blogger and reporter at Newsarama) comment on it.

Even if you don't know what tentacle rape is (and it's exactly what it sounds like it is, duh), it is obvious that the women on this cover have been depicted in a distressing, degrading situation in a manner meant to titillate. Why? Because that's what appeals to their target audience.  I am not Marvel's target audience for this comic. (Though maybe I could be if it were handled differently.) But I am a woman who works in the comic book industry, and over and over I have to see that the industry's largest companies have no problem reducing my gender to tits and ass. Oh, and possibly a bad-ass attitude, mostly likely the result of being raped.

And I don't want to say this, but I really don't think a lot of men in the industry and who read comics understand. I don't think they get why it bothers someone like me or Heidi or Lea or Elin (a self-proclaimed publisher of pornographic comics). People steeped in the imagery of the superhero comic book have become rather numb to this kind of depiction of women, it seems. And they don't see their whole sex depicted as a sexual object as a rule rather than an exception by the industry's biggest companies, with the result that no matter what kind of work we do to bring different kinds of comics to the marketplace, tits and ass are the abiding image of women in comics.

An image like this bothers me for several reasons, most on a personal level, but since I am writing in my professional capacity here, I will write about why it bothers me on a professional level. First, as I said, that kind of imagery is the dominant one of women in comics, so every time I tell people I edit comics, I have to add a disclaimer: Not those kinds of comics. I don't want to be ashamed of the industry in which I work. And, perhaps a bit more personally, I feel these depictions of women in comics color how I am treated when I am doing my job -- not by my co-workers, men who all treat me with respect -- but mostly at conventions. Thirty seconds into conversations, I realize that the man talking to me thinks I am a booth girl. Perfect strangers who have no idea who I am ask to take my picture. To them, my primary and most obvious value is in my image; obviously I must be at the booth to be pretty and friendly to men so they'll look at our comics -- and in the case of the men with cameras, my image is something that they would like to capture and keep for themselves, and they see no problem with this.

No, I don't feel objectified every minute of every day at Comic-Con. (I admit I've been amiable and let some of these guys take my picture; no more of that, though that kind of thing seems to be on the wane since I've stopped wearing dresses and skirts to conventions, or perhaps at 29, I've just aged out of their idea of what a "cute girl" is.) But it has happened often enough to make me realize that the perception of what a woman's role is in the comic book industry is still one skewed toward "object" for a lot of people. Realizing that actually makes doing my job, which is fortunately free of allusions to tentacle rape, a matter of defiance as well as of skill and responsibility. If this sounds like it's something that should make me feel happy or  "empowered," well, then I am sorry to inform you that I would much rather do my job and be good at it without having to constantly prove something on behalf of my sex at the same time.

Heidi has brought up Virginia Woolf's A Room of One's Own at The Beat lately, and I think of it, too, of how Woolf writes that women's work--in the case of Woolf's essay, the work of writing novels--suffers when they are constantly aware of the indignities her sex is subject to:

"Her books will be deformed and twisted. She will write in a rage where she should write calmly. She will write foolishly where she should write wisely. She will write of herself where she should write of her characters. She is at war with her lot. How could she help but die young, cramped and thwarted?"

I don't anticipate dying "young, cramped and thwarted," but I don't want my work to be twisted by my indignation. I don't want to be outraged. (And I'm not, just kind of... curiously enough... sad.) I just want to do my work. But images like the cover of Heroes for Hire #13* and the "you're making a mountain out of a molehill" response to the women who have objected to it (witness the rampant idiocy in the comments thread at the Blog@Newsarama post), remind me that there's not just work to do but still a fight to be fought. And I really don't feel like fighting.

*Drawn by a woman, Sana Takeda, which makes this situation more nuanced to say the least. The art that can be seen on her website is often quite lovely but just as often more tits and ass for the course. EDITED TO ADD: Takeda has a different cultural perspective, perhaps, but that's where editorial responsibility comes in, especially in a work-for-hire situation.

Comments

[info]mr_sadhead wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 06:43 pm (UTC)
You know what? I've been reading some old-school feminist writings lately (I found a copy of the "Sisterhood Is Powerful" anthology at a yard sale), and have been lamenting that the struggle for equality has gotten so quiet. People have sort of just accepted what little gains they've made and gone back to being passive consumers, while the culture is still being poisoned by ideological polluters. Maybe it's time for everybody to get angry again.
[info]sngingcircusdog wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 07:29 pm (UTC)
Oh wow. I don't really read mainstream comics nor pay attention to their covers (except a hilarious one I saw the other day with a woman being hit by some kind of space car), but that really does look like the cover to a porn comic.

The fact that Marvel thinks this is appropriate for kids is pretty appalling. The fact that people commenting at Blog@Newsarama don't see how this cover could be immediately seen as something sexually demeaning is even more appalling.
[info]retch wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:33 pm (UTC)
Not that I am disagreeing with the critique outlined above, but, Marvel's comics aren't particularly for kids. The demographics for comic book buyers are predominantly adult males from what I've seen (the SLG crew probably has access to much better market research on the topic than what I've seen since comics are sort of tangential to my branch of the entertainment industry). So while kids may indeed read that comic book, Marvel is busy thinking about how to best sell to their largest market, which is adult males for whom a soft-core-tentacle-tits-and-ass cover probably works just fine. They aren't trying to get a thirteen year old boy to buy the comic in partcular (though as a former thireen year old boy, I'll freely admit that cover would likely have caught my eye).
[info]washu_hime wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 04:11 am (UTC)
*visiting from a friend's friends page* I've actually been following the story for the past couple days on this cover, mainly from links on When Fangirls Attack. The thing is, even though Marvel comics aren't "for kids" as you say, the rating on this comic, by Marvel standards is T+. That means 9 years old and up, in their own words. In other words, Marvel is perfectly fine selling a nine-year-old what looks like tentacle porn with no problems at all. But after all, isn't nine old enough to learn about naughty tentacles?
(no subject) - [info]timeliebe - May. 24th, 2007 01:45 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]headlesspuppet wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 07:55 pm (UTC)
I'd suggest the female in the industry should fight this aggressively, not just defensively, we can start by SLG publishes uber bishounen or Yaoi comics which, in turn, objectify MEN. That'd rock :D

seriously tho, there's like zero comic for girls in the market, that's why there is no actual woman reader powers to balance things out. And by comics for girl, I don't mean comics that guys think girl would like, like, The Plain Jane? I wouldn't count that as a girl comic, -.-, jesus, even original Tokyopop stuff are often off the mark. I don't want to read about girls and girl issues, with more GIRLS in it, urgh. Whose idea is that? what happened to pleasing-looking male characters? instead, woman readers who craving that were forced to rely solely on Japanese manga, and private translating groups sharing them hush hush under radar. How did it come to that?
[info]lancescott wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:07 pm (UTC)
>I don't mean comics that guys think girl would like, like, The Plain Jane?

Written by a woman, edited by a woman whose boss is a woman. You might want to think of a different example of books put together by guys that think they know what a girl wants.
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[info]emoboyrocks wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:02 pm (UTC)
I can't even read the newsarama comments on this or the MJ sculpture deal, they're too obnoxious and ignorant. I just keep reading waiting for even one person to make any sense and it just doesn't happen.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:03 pm (UTC)
If it were men, instead of women, in that same exact image, would you have reacted the same way?

Why not?
[info]slg_news wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:06 pm (UTC)
Do you understand why that is a stupid question?

Why not?
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[info]mr_sadhead wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC)
The reversal-rationale technique doesn't always work.
If a bunch of buff superhero guys with slime glistening on their pecs were being menaced by tentacles, would women find it alluring? Some might, but not a lot. It might appeal to gay men, but you don't want to suggest there's connection between superhero comics and gay fantasy.
As I wrote elsewhere, if you don't see what's wrong with this image you might as well get a shirt that says "Yes, my sexuality stopped developing when I was twelve."
Women have had to look at this twisted stuff for too long -- it's time for popular culture to stop touching itself and to come out and join the rest of the world, already in progress.
[info]yenniemonster wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
No. I imagine that will surprise people, as that doesn't sound like the politically correct response. The problem is that you're asking about the same exact image.

Tentacle rape isn't exactly a new idea, and the images are fairly consistent. So for one thing, there is a problem of the perpetuation of a fetish in which the overpowering and rape of women is fantasized. If this were a cover that were even taken a little further, with completely shirtless men, it would not be construed as sexual because men aren't generally raped in that position. Thus, the image is just a standard man vs. beast conflict.

If the image were changed so that the men have their asses exposed to the tentacles, then I'd be all sorts of offended.
(no subject) - [info]timeliebe - May. 24th, 2007 02:02 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]kayay wrote:
May. 23rd, 2007 08:27 pm (UTC)
Comics in general have a negative image in society; they're still what you read at home or in shops and not exactly what you admit to your coworkers, because the first image that pops into their heads is that of the spandexed beefcake or cheesecake. However, there will be those who argue that the "sexiness" of such characters and covers is empowering in itself. Bullshit or truth? I suppose it's something to say "we can dress as we like", but I don't see the men in comics wearing spandex and thongs and jiggling everwhere. And maybe that's the strongest arguement for the "feminist" camp -- although I hate the label and "rar I hate men" imagry that comes with it -- that there are no or few western comics aimed at women. No titilating covers for the girls.

To the commenter who asked, If it were men, instead of women, in that same exact image, would you have reacted the same way?

Wouldn't it still be in bad taste and not something you'd want on a cover, displayed in a shop where all the kiddies see it? Wouldn't it still be classified as pornish? Besides, if it were men, I imagine there'd be a slew of guys calling it "gay" or mocking it. Moreover, I can't remember any such comic book cover ever depicting men in such a way.

Can you?
[info]manstreamcomics wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 12:58 am (UTC)
"And I'm not, just kind of... curiously enough... sad.) I just want to do my work. But images like the cover of Heroes for Hire #13*...remind me that there's not just work to do but still a fight to be fought. And I really don't feel like fighting."

That's it. The fighting needs to be done, but damn.
[info]xray_studios wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
As everyone is now talking about it, it seems to be the perfect cover. I had never heard of this title until this controversy. Probably the same for many.
[info]jdeguzman wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 04:59 am (UTC)
You know, in this case, I can excuse the aspect of drawing attention to something like this. It's not just "DC/Marvel sent out some stupid drawing as publicity, let's make fun of it!" I'm tired of being upset by shit like this and not saying anything about it. I'm tired of the comic book industry feeling like a hostile work environment.
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[info]studioqt wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 01:19 am (UTC)
Thank you. You've said it better than I could.

The H4H cover icked me, but I shake my head sadly. It's the cluelessness of the Blog@Newsarama posts really pissed me off.
[info]titancross wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 02:36 am (UTC)
I think the question for me is whether equality would mean depicting women less as pornographic material in comics, or equally depicting men as pornographic material? Either way, i am agreeing with you that the cover sends us back to the caveman dark ages! It is disgusting how they continue to stereotype the dominant comics reader as the geeky can't-get-laid repressed male who has to get off on such hentai-like images. Sadly, that IS the demographic they could be aiming for and it works for THAT audience.

You can be sure that people wouldn't give a second thought if they saw that cover on the stands, but if it were male superheroes being stripped and teased, it would suddenly warrant a front page article. Double standards, i tell you.
[info]lea_hazel wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 08:52 pm (UTC)
I think the question for me is whether equality would mean depicting women less as pornographic material in comics, or equally depicting men as pornographic material?

The former. Porn is diametrically opposite to characterization. Pornographic images should exist in pornographic material, not plot-based material. If it were porn, I wouldn't much mind. I'd say, "That's gross," and not buy/read it. But it's not, and that's the problem, pornographic values crossing over into plot-based media.
[info]11000_feet wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 04:16 am (UTC)
Everything that you've written here explains my feelings about the (sadly) vast majority of comics on the market.

Thank you for this, it was very well-written.
[info]b_towle wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 04:59 pm (UTC)
What's hilarious (and sad) is that the people who create and consume this stuff seem to truly have no idea why anyone would find this sort of imagery unappealing.... or why so few women (or well-adjusted adult males for that matter) seem to be interested in reading their books. It'd be almost reassuring if they were members of the He Man Women Hater's Club, but pitifully, I get the idea that they're just completely clueless.

I'm actually glad to stumble on brouhahas like this cover. Being so immersed in the world of non-superhero comics, I often forget that there is this weird comics "cargo cult" culture of guys who don't seem to have much awareness of the larger world.
[info]herverylowness wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 08:47 pm (UTC)
As I was reading this post and looking at the image, my boyfriend wandered over, looked at the picture and promptly asked the question "Oh, what hentai is that?"

It was a genuine question, one that makes you think, if images that are common in hentai keep occuring in the mainstream comics, what does that say about the comics industry?

Yes, women are objectified in mainstream comics, men are objectified in yaoi manga. But images like the one for the cover of a mainstream comic.. Fuck no. You want to draw tenticale rape, then draw it for a hentai.
[info]ihatepeoplealot wrote:
May. 24th, 2007 11:48 pm (UTC)
When I first saw that cover I thought it was some fan-made picture for porn week on [info]scans_daily.
It looks like it's straight out of Japanese Hentai.
Yeah, I don't know how Marvel will live this down.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 28th, 2007 06:27 pm (UTC)
What's Old is New
ID: Tyson

A few years ago I thought T&A and major crossovers died at the big Two sometime in the early-mid '90s along with holografix shiny collector covers. How naive I was.

One thing that bothers me and, I've seen it in other cases, is that people automatically assume that the offending material was written and/or drawn by a man or group of men.

As the original post indicated, it was drawn by a woman, Sana Takeda, and the issue is further complicated by the increasing polarization being witnessed in the larger American political landscape, as well as the gap between Japanese perspectives and sensibilities regarding art and pop culture versus American ones.

As for the comic book industry being hostile, well, in the Internet age, expressing yourself in any form, be it comic book or otherwise seems to invite a certain amount of hostility these days.
[info]slg_news wrote:
May. 29th, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
Re: What's Old is New
It has been pretty widely acknowledged that this cover was drawn by a woman. However, not that you're saying this, but I have heard this fact used as if it mitigates the offense somewhat. It does not. This is not an "us vs. them" issue, so it is not automatically true that what a man does is wrong and what a woman does is all right. I heard a woman on the radio a while back declaring she would not vote for a woman president because she felt that she would not feel "secure" with a woman as president. That a woman said it does not make it any less of an ignorant and sexist statement.
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Jul. 28th, 2007 04:58 pm (UTC)
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